CYYT-TTCP Rejected

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CYYT-TTCP Rejected

Post by Traffic Warden » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:39 am

Hello everyone

Could someone from respected members of moderation team add this rejected route into the database:

Details of the route:
From - to: CYYT - TTCP
FL: 330 - 450
Route: YYT J575 YQI J585 ACK J62 RIFLE/N0459F400 FONDE L454 BERGH L459 SAVIK L455 LENNT A300 DDP G449 ANADA UG449 PERGA UA561 GND R508 RESON

Yes, it is longer than the direct route, significantly longer, because it follows east coast and then goes to the the first available airway to the caribbean. The reason to use that route is:
- ETOPS/EROPS 180 minutes rule is in use for this aircraft, as TJSJ and CYYT are ETOPS alternates.
- ETP waypoint at N35:06.4 W070:16.8 is in use for M.80
- N34:56.6 W070:14.2 for 1LRC ETOPS and N35:16.2 W070:19.3 for LRC ETOPS OXY

Flight time is only 6hours and 45 minutes, so it is not toooo long :)

Second thing is you will not be able to flight direct from Saint Johns to Bermuda, for example, to cut the angle anf continue on to the airways from there legally, because of the ETOPS, if it is less than 180 minutes for your acft, because there is no airways, and because no one in real would do such a stupid thing.

Third reason is, this is the route what Preflight Planning System giving us as the appropriate route for this sector. PPS is what our Operational department using for real flights, so this route would probably be use for real flight planning.

Lets all think that the crew and pax have legal USA visas and EAPIS to cross the USA border, so this is not a problem again. We can cross USA border and follow its coast line, instead of avoiding land mass :)

Lets also think, that the owner of N111VM business jet does not care of the fuel price for this sector.
And for contributing to the vroute community, there is no other routes from Saint Johns to carribean, so this could be a good example.

Thank you very much.
Andrei.

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Re: CYYT-TTCP Rejected

Post by Morten Jelle » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:51 am

Hi Andrei,

Please resubmit the route, with a comment like "ETOPS Route" or something like that, then it will be approved.
Best regards
Morten Jelle

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Re: CYYT-TTCP Rejected

Post by Traffic Warden » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:00 pm

Hello

Thanks, will do.

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