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Eurocontrol Error Message

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:29 am
by Budlake
I am unable to access the forbidden route messages. Each time I click on the link in vroute I get sent to page http://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.int/RAD/150 ... %20ALL.pdf, which tells me that an error has occured, unfortunately there is no explanation nor apparent solution given.
Although I have been geting this for a few days it appears to be a recent thing as I had no such dificulties in the past.
Can someone help please?
Regards
Mike

Re: Eurocontrol Error Message

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:09 am
by Michal Rok
hi

Eurocontrol has changed the address. I've updated vroute to point users to the new location. Please try again.


Michal

Re: Eurocontrol Error Message

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:06 am
by Budlake
Thank you Michal, it works now.

Unfortunately the route that I was hoping to check from EGKK to LSGG between FL250 and FL410:

BOGNA UL612 RESMI UM975 LUSAR

Produced the following eror:

ERRORS AT FL = 250:
(FPL-LOT001-IS -B738/M-SDRWY/S -EGKK0850 -N0430F250 BOGNA UL612 RESMI UM975 LUSAR -LSGG0126 -PBN/B4) PROF204: RS: TRAFFIC VIA LUSAR:F235..F999 IS ON FORBIDDEN ROUTE REF:[LSLF1114B] LUSAR

As I have now found LSLF1114B relates specifically and explicitly to the period December to March and to the Skiing season in particular.

As you must agree that period expired nearly three months ago and the skiing season is clearly over!

Why, therefore, can't this route be verified?

Mike

Re: Eurocontrol Error Message

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:49 pm
by Budlake
I am getting very tired of the vroute website. I logon, I tick the box to log me on all the time, go to the Route Mania pages and I find that I am no longer logged on. I use the filter at the bottom of the page but my selection is forgotten once I leave the page and go elsewhere. When I do get to the page on which my post can be found, if I find it, I find that NONE of the replies are there!
Not only that I am increasingly despondent about routes being rejected for petty and irrelevent reasons. It may be so in the real-world that an aircraft cannot fly a particular segment of an airway at any particular time of day but it is totally irrelevent in the virtual world. It matters not that an airway is not avialable in the interests of traffic load in any particular circumstance. And it is even more irksome that a route cannot be validated because the aircraft performance does not satisfy some aritrary parameters or that it is the wrong time of day.
I am flying in an imaginary world where there are, at the very most!, one or two aircraft at any one time, and there, in all liklihood, is no ATC. So why should it matter whether I wish to plan a route along an airway that is only available to achieve a specific objective at a singular period of time or circumstance?
I really do despair!
Mike

Re: Eurocontrol Error Message

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:33 pm
by Michal Rok
Mike,

I understand Eurocontrol requirements can be hard to satisfy and that leads me to frustration sometimes, too.

That's why if you submit a route as private (available in premium only), we will only do the minimum set of checks required. And Eurocontrol will not be consulted.


Michal

Re: Eurocontrol Error Message

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:33 am
by Budlake
Thanks Michal,

I did not know about private submission, I will try to remember that for next time.

Regards

Mike

Re: Eurocontrol Error Message

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:41 pm
by frednav77
Just for further information, the FL230 restriction applies to all traffic inbound to Geneva via LUSAR H24 (LSLF1114, as was already mentioned). LUSAR is the initial point of the STAR and I understand French ATC has to handover traffic at LUSAR FL230 max. It therefore makes sense the airway is not available above FL230 for arrival into Geneva. It frees capacity for the higher levels on the airway...

At the end of the day, these level restrictions are only really applicable at the planning stage. Once an aircraft is airborne, ATC can be more flexible if the volume of traffic allows and let you fly higher for longer before you get to Geneva (or elsewhere).....