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Submitted route rejected

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:25 am
by jcmarathon
I submitted a new route based on the latest published AirRac. Additionally, the new route was pulled directly from a recently used route published in FlightAware. The route was rejected by the moderation team. In an effort to continually contribute to VRoute can someone please advise me of why this route was rejected? Details of the route:
From - to: KORD - KMEM
FL: 280 - 450
Route: BACEN BLOKR BEKKI FAM WHOLL BRBBQ1

Re: Submitted route rejected

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:27 am
by Michal Rok
Sure we can help!

Please check the response email - the first line from the top will tell you about the rejection reason. Can you please share it with us, so that I can explain better what was wrong?


Michal

Re: Submitted route rejected

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:10 pm
by jcmarathon
Per the email I received the route was rejected because:
The reason specified by moderator was: no procedures

Details of the route:
From - to: KORD - KMEM
FL: 280 - 450
Route: BACEN BLOKR BEKKI FAM WHOLL BRBBQ1
I really don't understand. As stated earlier, this route is used daily by real airlines and was pulled directly from FlightAware. No SID was used on departure and the route clearly shows a STAR into KMEM. I am sure I am missing something. Please advise. Thanks so much for the quick response!

Re: Submitted route rejected

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:11 pm
by Michal Rok
The reason I rejected this route was that BACEN and BEKKI are points of a SID procedure. My database says BACEN1.BEKKI is valid for KORD in cycle 1403. This is why your route got red-flagged by vroute and I just confirmed the verdict.

When you insert raw waypoints BACEN and BEKKI, you make the pilot skip some waypoints of the SID. If this is completely nonsense (and I'm not an expert on KORD departures), please let me know.


Michal

Re: Submitted route rejected

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:31 pm
by Michal Rok
Stephen,

I got some other data from Navigraph. BACEN1.BEKKI is (runway 04L, for example):
- two instructions related to climb process - no specific fixes, followed by
- BRBIE .. BACEN .. BLOKR .. BEKKI


Michal

Re: Submitted route rejected

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:18 pm
by Michal Rok
Flight1 ATR 72, NavData/SID/KORD.txt:

P|BACEN1|04L|BEKKI|0|8
S| |91000000|181000000| |VA|0|4200|0|0|0|0|1|1180|0|0|0|0|0
S| |91000000|181000000| |VM|0|4200|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0
S|BRBIE|41650833|-88022761| |DF|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0
S|BRBIE|41650833|-88022761| |IF|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0
S|BACEN|41406667|-88029722| |TF|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0
S|BACEN|41406667|-88029722| |IF|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0
S|BLOKR|41249722|-88083333| |TF|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0
S|BEKKI|40316667|-88348333| |TF|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0



Michal

Re: Submitted route rejected

PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:33 am
by Michal Rok
OK, - back to original subject -- I accepted the route and rolled back the rating changes (normally you loose 10 points for a rejection).

Stephen - thanks for assistance.


Michal